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10-28-2009, 11:36 PM	#61
Cratos Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Big Apple Posts: 4,252	Quote: Originally Posted by Tom There is always a pace setter in every race. Yes you are correct, there is always a pacesetter in any race, but not always to the style of every horse in the race and that is why a rabbit is sometimes needed __________________ Independent thinking, emotional stability, and a keen understanding of both human and institutional behavior are vital to long-term investment success My hero, Warren Edward Buffett "Science is correct; even if you don't believe it" - Neil deGrasse Tyson

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10-29-2009, 12:09 AM

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Is a horse with say an 8 length lead really effecting the race much? Or is it the 2nd running horse just barely in front of field? If you are making a pace figure that means something whose time would you use?

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10-29-2009, 01:15 PM

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The winner and the second place finisher if the second horse is within one length of the winner.

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11-03-2009, 11:26 AM

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I don't know if this will be relevant to the thread but I need members opinions on the proper use of this past performance tidbit....I think it is one of the latest additions to Bris pps

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11-03-2009, 05:04 PM	#65
fmolf Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: massapequa park ny Posts: 2,164	Quote: Originally Posted by senortout I don't know if this will be relevant to the thread but I need members opinions on the proper use of this past performance tidbit....I think it is one of the latest additions to Bris pps senortout I do use those numbers as a general guide as to which horsesmay have been used up by a fast pace.I note the pace of that race and try to figure the pace of todays race in comparison.I also look for front runners whose lp stayed the same into a faster than normal pace....or frontrunners who all of a sudden have lower ep's but a significantly higher lp indicating a conditioning race for the serious try today!

11-05-2009, 08:56 PM	#66
Bill Cullen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,726	If one had to make a gneeralization about pace on poly tracks... If one had to make a generalization about pace on the poly track at Santa Anita vesus the old Santa Anita dirt oval, would one say that the old speed bias on the dirt has been reversed on the poly surface, or is it that the winners are just more evenly distributed across the spectrum of E, EP, P, and S type of runners on the synthetic track? Good hunting in the Breeder's Cup! Bill C

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11-05-2009, 09:27 PM

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Poly is not Pro-ride.
They are not the same

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11-05-2009, 09:37 PM

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It's like Kleenex.......or Jell-O is all gelatin. the lexicon has added poly to mean all artificial surfaces because it was called that so much.

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11-05-2009, 10:39 PM	#69
CBedo AllAboutTheROE Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,411	Quote: Originally Posted by Tom It's like Kleenex.......or Jell-O is all gelatin. the lexicon has added poly to mean all artificial surfaces because it was called that so much. like escalator and elevator. I believe they were company names at one point. __________________ "No problem can withstand the assault of sustained thinking" -- Voltaire

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